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Jun. 30th, 2014 09:10 pm Vegan activism and the effectiveness of the abolitionist approach

I have written an essay about animal rights activism; specifically, the behavior of Gary Francione, the law professor who developed the abolitionist approach to animal rights that I've been blogging about for the last few months. I originally planned to host it here on LiveJournal, but it got so long that I moved it to my own web site.

Anyone is welcome to comment here on LiveJournal, but I would appreciate it if the discussion stay focused on the specific issues in the essay, and not on whether veganism itself is a good idea.

As is my long-standing policy to combat spammers, all comments from people who are not on my current LiveJournal friends list are screened. I intend to unscreen all comments that are not spam or obvious trolling, but as I don't spend all day on the computer, comments may not be visible immediately. I will also post a link to the essay publicly on my Facebook and Google+ profiles, where I very rarely delete comments (but again reserve the right to do so).

Here's the link to the essay again: Vegan activism and the effectiveness of the abolitionist approach. Feedback welcomed.

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From:zahraa
Date:July 1st, 2014 07:05 pm (UTC)
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Honestly, for the first half or so, I had a lot of trouble trying to follow the whole story and keep track of who was whom, and I got really confused. But I did understand the latter part and the end. I'm sorry you and boyziggy were subjected to such name-calling, and I'm glad that you have gotten away from that sort of hostility. Generally, I find internet forums to be full of dick-waving (and frequently misogyny), so I usually just don't read them. And I definitely almost never read comments on stuff. What I do see are many, many FB or LJ posts from friends who have been similarly hurt in these forums. This crap has been going on since Usenet, and I've always tried to avoid it. Hang in there, and don't let the bastards drag you down!
From:funcrunch
Date:July 2nd, 2014 12:57 am (UTC)
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Thanks for reading through the whole thing and for the support of me and boyziggy. I know it got quite long but I wanted to be thorough to give as much evidence as possible of what was going on in his forum. I thought about putting a "cast of characters" at the top but didn't want to look like I was trying to single anyone out (and that would have made the essay even longer).

I agree with you on Internet forums. The irony is that shortly before I found out about Francione I was actively trying to cut down on my online time, and had somewhat succeeded. Then I got sucked into this forum, and felt like I'd finally found a community of like-minded people, so started spending more and more time there. I can see why some people think of it as a cult.
From:zahraa
Date:July 2nd, 2014 02:34 am (UTC)
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I knew it turned out the way it did because you were trying to represent everyone really fairly. But I think you could summarize a lot of the quotes (just leave in the most egregious ones) and just link to the screenshots of the rest of them for reference. It would be shorter that way, and you would have the ability to put in the cast of characters, which I think would be really helpful.
From:funcrunch
Date:July 2nd, 2014 06:22 am (UTC)
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I wanted to include as much text as possible in the article so people didn't have to keep going off the page to look at screenshots. Also to make it easy for someone to copy and paste if they wanted to reply to something.

Apparently I had some small impact: Gary posted another comment on the thread referring to my essay as "malicious" amongst other things, but he left the discussion thread intact, and said he also saved a copy of the discussion to protect against the possibility of me deleting my own comments in order to misrepresent what was said. (I haven't visited the forum since posting my essay, so I'm going by what someone told me he posted.) Sad that it's come to this.
From:zahraa
Date:July 3rd, 2014 04:18 pm (UTC)
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I'm sad that it's come to this, too, but I think you should stop reading. It's not worth the brain damage.
From:funcrunch
Date:July 3rd, 2014 04:20 pm (UTC)
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I haven't gone back to Francione's page, but I'm having good and worthwhile conversations in private and public with other vegan activists.
From:zahraa
Date:July 3rd, 2014 05:01 pm (UTC)
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Ah, OK. Good for you.