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Atheism and agenderism - the funcrunch files


Dec. 10th, 2013 03:18 pm Atheism and agenderism

I had an epiphany that my views on gender are very similar to my views on religion, especially theistic religions. I really hate both and would love to live in a world without either. However, I realize that both gender and religious identification are very important to many people, and it would be wrong of me to impose my views on them. Therefore I respect people identifying with whatever gender or religion they wish, as long as they respect my wishes to not identify with any of them.

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From:plymouth
Date:December 11th, 2013 02:47 am (UTC)
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It's a comparison that the folks who started the Freedom From Gender Society that I was a part of in Boston often used. They are also athiest (or were at least, I assume they still are - I haven't really been in touch since I moved).

I'm not sure it follows that one should respect gender and religion though. As far as I'm concerned, they both cause people great harm. I have a hard time respecting something that is such a destructive force. In an ideal world I would like to respect people's genders and religions, but it's super hard to do in this flawed broken world.
From:funcrunch
Date:December 11th, 2013 05:37 pm (UTC)
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I agree that on balance gender (especially rigid binary gender roles) and religion have done more harm than good. But I feel like I can still respect people's rights to identify with these things without respecting the things themselves. There are a lot of intelligent and kind people who believe in a god/dess, and there are even more such people who identify with a gender. I identified with a gender myself for over 40 years, so I can understand the attachment. I feel that in order to get respect for my own views, I have to allow other people to have their differing views, as long as they don't impose them on me. Of course, it's been a lot easier to avoid people overtly imposing religion on me than gender.
From:plymouth
Date:December 12th, 2013 07:23 am (UTC)
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I identified with a gender myself for over 40 years, so I can understand the attachment.

I guess that's the difference. I have no way to relate to it. I identified with one because people told me that's what I was. I was NEVER attached to it.

I'm racking my brain for anything I might feel similarly about. The only thing I'm coming up with is national identity. I actually DO identify pretty strongly as an American. Some of my family were immigrants so the power of the American Dream is pretty vivid for me, even as I am conscious of it's many flaws. I know there are people who feel that nationalism and national identity is harmful, it contributes to inequality and leads to wars. We'd be better off thinking of ourselves as Citizens Of The World and erasing national borders. But even there I kinda feel like... yeah, those people have a point. I don't need them to respect my national identity. I could even give it up if I thought there was a good chance something better would come out of it.

The identities I have that are really important to me are the things I feel are earned identities, like artist and engineer. But those are so specific and it's harder to draw the parallels of destructiveness that I'm not sure any analogy even makes sense.

I also, as previously discussed, identify as a Freak :) But that's not even an identity that needs respecting - it kinda thrives on disrespect in some ways. I do get kinda annoyed when people insist that, no really, I'm normal... but in some ways I have to admit I AM normal. So, I dunno, still kinda hard to draw a parallel.
From:funcrunch
Date:December 12th, 2013 03:58 pm (UTC)
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The identities I have that are really important to me are the things I feel are earned identities, like artist and engineer.

I agree about earned identities. I put the identities that are currently most important to me in my tagline on G+ and Facebook, as well as on my name tag for chorus (as we have a space on there for such things): "Runner, vegan, musician, San Franciscan." I used to have "photographer" on there in place of "runner".